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Hey Vittorio, you started this thread in an intelligent manner. Why have you now decided to act a fool?

Initially, you asked an itelligent question and several people replied with official answers. Did you not understand the replies or do you want this thread to be closed as well?

If you continue to act foolish, the moderators will indeed, close the thread and ultimately ban you from RCU, no matter what user name you decide to use.

Furthermore, jacking someone else's username (edible-engine) is not cool nor very creative on your part. If you don't think that RCU's members can teach you anything about 3D, then simply go to another related forum and see if they can maybe help you.

If you don't like America, Americans, English, or our way of thinking, then maybe you can find a usefull source in your wonderfull country, but quit being a pain in the arse!

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[&:][size=5][color=red]WHY MY FIRST TOPIC WAS DELETED?
AREN'T YOU THE LAND OF FREEDOM?

[COLOR=GREEN][size=4]Vittorio from Italy[sm=sunsmiley.gif]a beautiful country.

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Because you started acting foolish.

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Well I reported him a few hours back. So its up to the mods now...

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Wings level is the most important, if its a light plane setup for 3D, wings level will usually stop it from falling, then you have to hit the correct elevator. The most difficult recovery is when the plane is falling towards you inverted. You will be looking right at the prop and your firts instinct will be up elevator, that will result in a destroyed plane.

It takes lots of practice to resist instinct and do the right thing. Which is wings level, correct elevator and power to climb, whether inverted or upright.

Now if the plane is coming straight at you, inverted with power up, You will really have to react fast. Wings level, correct elevator and bank away from yourself and any other pilots, which will mean flying the plane to safety inverted less than 3 meters from the ground. I have had this happen to me several times and it really gets your heart pumping. I also have destroyed several planes learning this, even after feeling comfortable on the realflight simulator. 3D flight is high risk when you are low.

If you are looking for 1 thing to practice first, then it has to be the Harrier, upright then inverted. After that you can harrier to a hover then a torque roll.

Joe

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As I understand it, your first thread was deleted because evrytime you replied you pasted a full, repetive page of text and wasted lots of server disk space. If you want to be treated fairly than respond to people in a resonable way.

Joe

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Joe, very good, you seem to have a grasp on some of the more un-nerving attitudes a plane can get into as well as the ability to explain it in simple terms. I think in Italian Flyers temporary absence we should try to continue what he originally set out to do. Learn 3d. Joe

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bloody marvelous now we can move forward with people who really want to learn.

don't forget it's practice and more practice.

my advice is to find one manuver, look how the big boys do it, then go out and practice until you can do it, thats how we do it and my dad is my caller he stands by all the time and talk me through and makes sure i am on track. this is hard work and you need to stay focussed, then at the end of the day i add my new manuver to my list. i also work out the stiks before hand and really look at lots of videos.

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Adrian, that is the key, set your goals and keep at it. Its amazing how that leads you to the little "trick" you have been looking for and then it all falls together. Going back to JBrannon's post, one way I worked out that knee jerk reaction of pulling up elevator when in trouble is a simple manuver. I don't know if it has a name, it dosn't matter. Lets call it climbing a ladder. From a slow, straight and level entry, apply throttle and pull up to execute the first half of an outside loop. At the top, or 12:00, apply down elevator and do an inside loop. At the top of that apply up elevator for another outside loop, etc. Just a series of half loops all the way up. With some practice you can then start doing it on the down side. It gives you several things. Identifying the relation of the model to the inputs of the elevator. As you progress you will find yourself applying aileron when needed as well as rudder to keep climbing in a straight line and keeping level attitude. Also it helps to figure out when throttle is needed. A little bit of this as a pre-curser to slow rolls or rolling harriers, and great for hovering. Joe

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:)hello

What is the best first model to learn 3D?

Thank you.

itibitty

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look man, you're not fooling anyone by changing names :eek:

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V, if you still have the Modeltech Magic, then there is no reason why you can't learn on that model. If you are in the market for a new plane then the Hanger 9 "twist" looks very promising. From what I've read it goes together in as little as 3 hours and is only $99.00 I think that is a big plus when learning 3D. At some point your bound to smack one up, so this one is quick and cheap. Less time building = more time flying. Joe

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Go back to your original thread and read from the beginning...lots of information for you there.

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This thread without Italian-flyer can't continue. He could say intelligent and fine things.
Let him re-enter, please.

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Vittorio, you are welcome here. This is your thread. But you have to come back as you, not Tyrone Powers. Quit screwing around and lets get back to business. Conduct yourself responsibly and maybe they will unlock your original thread. Joe

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[8D][size=4]Hi people

[&:][color=red]I have received "Almost Real Flight" Add-ons n. 4. Extra 330 and Edge 540 are too heavy to hover or torque roll.
From [link]http://www.aero3d.net[/link] I downloaded a 100" wingspan 3D plane.

[:@][color=blue]This plane is too incredibly light. If I stop the engine, it falls down like a feather. My simulator has become ARTC,
Almost Ready To Crash. I should crash it. It's very much more most unreal.

;)My Magic 3D is instead very fine at low speed. I tryed to hover, but it turned to do torque roll, and then I could't hold it in vertical attitude and it fell down.

[:@]I WILL LEARN.

[COLOR=GREEN]Vittorio from Italy[sm=sunsmiley.gif]a beautiful country.

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Italian Flyer, Welcome back. Indeed you will learn, as will the rest of us. It will take many attempts, lots of frustration, yet still remains fun while trying. Keep that simulator, its great for trying new things. If the plane starts to turn, then you must give some right aileron to hold it. A little at first to see what it needs. Go for it! Joe

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Good luck.

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[8D][size=4]Hi people

[color=blue][&:]There was still too much wind at the field but it seems to me that the wind, when it becomes weak, makes hovering easier because the plane attitude is not vertical. This impedes torque roll.

:eek:What do you think about?

[sm=thumbup.gif][COLOR=RED]VALENTINO ROSSI + YAMAHA: WINNERS.

[color=green]Vittorio from Italy[sm=sunsmiley.gif]a beautiful country.

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I guess it can go either way Vittorio, I have seen some 3D pilot hover, or in this case stay staionary in the wind completely level, because the wind is blowing over the wing and generating all the lift instead of the plane having to move through the air.

However, when you try to point the plane upwards and hover in that position, your plane becomes more "wetted", which means more of the planes surface area has become exposed to the wind, so now you have alot more wind pushing you back because your wings are acting like "sails".

Plus the wind is no longer moving over the wings in the correct manner to produce lift. So you have to keep your Magic upwards while alowing it to nose down slightly (but not too much!) to make sure it does not get pushed back. A bit like this \ the way the backward slash is slanted is usally the way I have seen people hover in light wind. It varies according to the amount of wind really.

On really blustery days you'll be like this - and obviously with no wind or very little like this |

Hope this helps!

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Vittorio, when Gallileo had some unpopular and scary ideas they locked him up also. was he from Italy - a beautiful country?

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hey vittorio, have you seen this foamy airplane, it comes from Italy, are they available at hobby shops? I would like 6 of these, cost is no concern.

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[8D]Hi people

;)[color=blue]Hi "Pizza" (Have you heard? Pizza has become STG, Speciality Traditional Guaranteed).

:DYes, Galileo Galilei was from Italy and was "locked" because he said that the earth went round the sun, against religious faiths.

[sm=rolleyes.gif][color=red]Do you know the manufacturer of that foamy plane?

:D[color=blue]Yes, Americans, you went on the moon but, how could you come back without a second missile? Mystery.

:)Don't lock me again, I'm like Galileo.

[color=green]Vittorio from Italy[sm=sunsmiley.gif]a beautiful country.

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[&o]somebody just don't want to learn!!!!!

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[8D][size=4]Hi people

[&:]

:eek:[color=blue]Ailerons or not to do harrier?

;)Fine question. Try to answer numerous. Don't be shy.

[color=green]Vittorio from Italy[sm=sunsmiley.gif]a beautiful country.