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do a search there pics of it some were i'll try to find mine

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Maybe someday, when you finish grammar school, we can get together for a little 3-D flying. Oh, by the way it was around 1997 when QQ shocked the entire R/C community with his 3-D freestyle. I would have thought a 20 year old rocket scientist like yourself, would have known that. Hmmmmmmmmmmm

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prophanger1, not trying to gang up on you but it appears that Bob, has flagged you more then once, if I were you I would just give it a rest. Your not doing yourself justice.

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has flagged me on what weather people knew it or not 3d has been done years before the toc guys did it new moves has came along this is between us i see something racily offensive also so[:-] so guys lets go fly I'll take my saito 100 powered u can't do 3 d and you guys take your 10 pound cubs with os 40 four strokes i don't see how my plane is so over powered i hover at 44% throttle that is true throttle i run curves a 46 two stroke won't hover a u can't do 3d here but if that all ya got hey it'll work for ya no don't think i ever want to fly with ya i don't participate in circle jerks oh forgot there toy airplane people get playing with toys and think there doing something haw

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Prohanger1, I am sorry, but I honestly haven't the slightest clue of what you just said, I noticed you were talking about the weather, I'm assuming you ment whether. *shurgs* Anyway have fun with your flying, I'll have fun flying my cub as you so call put it.

Blackie

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prophanger1

No one stated that a .46 would do the job. As a matter of fact we have tried that engine on a Tower pipe and the results were less than desirable. We then went to a .50SX on the same pipe and there was some improvement, however there was still a need for more power. We then went to the .50 SX-H on the same pipe and the results were astronomical. So as I told you before, we have done the research and proven our hypotheses.

Weight is an issue when trying to 3D, you can add all the power you want, but there come a point of diminishing returns. “Diminishing Returns; if one factor of production is increased while the others remain constant, the overall returns will relatively decrease after a certain point.” When you put a .91 on a .46 size aircraft you have long reached that point.

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Well, this is really getting good now. I can't remember when I have had this much fun on a PC. Listen up my little rocket scientist, I flew my first R/C airplane in the late 60s, and unless my memory fails me, until QQ came out with a true 3-D freestyle, it just wasn't done. In-fact aeronautical engineers, all through the years claimed that anything beyond 25 degrees of throw would become ineffective. QQ is the true, undisputed grandfather in this arena. Now I would love to fly with you, I always enjoyed teaching children at the flying fields brand new tricks. Like I said keep your mind and ears open, you just might learn something.[sm=idea.gif][sm=idea.gif]

Bob

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Prophanger1

Go to the address below and check out the videos on the first page, you will have to join the site first. You will see the people you are talking to and see what qualifies these guys as 3d pilots. Yes there is always someone out there that is better; nothing leads me to believe that person is you. You stated “i see something racily offensive” unless you are a little green man from Mars or something there is nothing racial here. You are talking to guys from different ethnic groups. So the race card won’t work in this discussion.

Jason Danhakl: Extreme Flight Championship Pilot (XFC), One of THE best free style pilots around, Unlimited IMAC pilot.
Bob Sawyer: Aircraft Manufacturing, NASA Aircraft Maintainer, Aircraft Designer, and the best show stopping 3D pilot around.

And your credentials are????:eek:



www.billhigginsjr.com

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retired, i add fun to the forums, I'm real good on computers and play station, fly 3d a lot 7 days a week couple cases of fuel, also fly helicopters also 3d style, as you can tell I'm the very lovable type person. i have no ambitions of being a astronaut

i know of the word meaning but never know of that school i before my time i guise

some time when you go flying the plane add a few ounces of weight do you use spoilers for harriers mine weight more than the other and will fall into a sweet harrier the wing load is to light on that plane

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some time when you go flying the plane add a few ounces of weight do you use spoilers for harriers mine weight more than the other and will fall into a sweet harrier the wing load is to light on that plane
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Remove the wing tips and leave them as a flat surface. Watch how it harriers then.

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[quote]ORIGINAL: prophanger1

retired, i add fun to the forums, I'm real good on computers and play station, fly 3d a lot 7 days a week couple cases of fuel, also fly helicopters also 3d style, as you can tell I'm the very lovable type person. i have no ambitions of being a astronaut

[quote]i know i sound like a fussy old coot but I'm 20 years old just like people to understand the best setup for that plane i have a box of just used engine mounts were i tried the recommend engines and had to change


Which is it man are you retired, an old coot from TN or are you really 20 years old? :eek::D:D

These are all your words...

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Prop breaker,
None of us were saying that your airplane was over powered. Just that the engine you were running is to heavy for the airplane. Also the question was which 2 stroke to run. Last time I looked Satio 100's had valves in the head. That makes them a FOUR Stroke. The question was which is the best two stroke to run in a U can Do .46. I feel we have answered that question. Yes the answer was not what some people want to hear because of higher cost. I'm willing to bet that the member that was not happy about the cost has a $300 + dollar shock flyer. Thats beside the point. If you want the best you have to pay for it. I'm really sorry you couldn't just listen to what was said here. You will never be a top pilot because you can't listen. Everyone has an opinion and that is respected by most. Just because you don't agree with someone else's doesn't mean you fight them to believe yours. In case you want to show me your flying ability someday let me know. I will arrange a contest between the two of us with crowd voting the winner. I fact there is an EAC fly in next weekend in Mississippi. That would be a great place to have a match up. You bring every plane you own and some tissue's. No circle jerk just crowd applause to win. True freestyle were 3-d is the way to score. I know you will never show up to do this. But just in case you want to the info for the event is on the RCU event forum. Merigold MS EAC flyin. Hope everyone has enjoyed Propbreaker as much as I have.
Jason Danhakl
ps. additional info on EAC can be found at www.blaineaustin.com

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hey i mite be a top pilot someday thing happens we fly toy airplane and die if we was in person i could get you to crash every plane you brought with you think i can get to people on a computer i have no wish to compete just laugh for the people like you that do thinking there doing something dude were acting like a bunch of 5 year old kids having a ball fly screw with people hard choise i listen to people just after the first 3 posts after mine has nothing to do with the subject i get bored i need people to talk to on rain days lipos take to long to charge

reeling in the line for the fishys[8D]

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Hello Prop Hanger

Look guy, when we tell you that wing loading is everything, thats because it is. Thrust to weight ratio is also very important, but not at the expense of wing loading. The smaller the airframe, the more critical it becomes! eight onces on something like the UCD, is like adding three or four pounds on one of our forty per-centers, really. airframes that have to high a wing loading just will not respond the same, and if your airframe is like this from the beginning, you will never even know what it's potential really is. Now I know that I was rough on you today, and actually I'm feeling kinda guilty about the whole thing, so let me start over, I would rather help you out, than burn you down. Truce!

Bob Sawyer

PS I really would like to fly with you someday.[8D]

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*** thats part of the fun man give people heck or get it :D the way i see it is I'm improving thrust that like adding full wave pipes on a 40% add about 29 ounces but the thrust they give makes you forget about the little weight if i did use a os 50 i would need about 8 ounces up front i have no choice never feel bad about ripping on somebody if we didn't like it we wouldn't come back to the thread:)

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OK DUDE!!!

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prophanger1,
Never come to a gun fight with a knife. Like I told you there is a big difference between the .50SX and the .50SX-H. Do your research before you open your mouth.


Bax the Moderator for RcUniverse and O.S. has this to say about the engines.



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There are many significant differences between the O.S. Max .50 SX and the .50 SX-H engine. They have different heads, cranks, pistons, liners, rods, crankcase, and carburetors, to name a few differences. The Heli engine is ported to run at much higher RPM levels than the airplane engine. Even swapping heads, the heli engine really isn't a really good option for airplanes because you'd have to prop it for higher RPM, which means a smaller prop, not always ideal for general-purpose flying.


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RE: UCANDO 46 - Which 2 Stroke?
 

Uncas,
I hope we have answered your question as to which 2 stroke to use. .50SX-H with a True Turn spinner and your battery pack up front, you will enjoy your U-Can-Do. You should not have to add any weight, depending on which servos and hardware you use in the tail.


Oh yea also add the Tower Hobby pipe. This engine loves that pipe.

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ok i have both engines nether will power a u can't do 3d to the level it needs to be it mite hover it won't pull out the hyper is in a evo 50 rappy 50 venture 50 they were run in on planks before i mounted them in choppers they have the same bottom end as the air version great planes and futaba sure tells you what you want to here look at the part numbers same the h stands for heli HEAD you guys need a new one

BTW i don't come with knifes i come with keyboards jr 10'x gun fights are is so 1840's let other people do that for ya

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Jason,

I guess it was me you are refering to about complaining about the cost. I think you have misunderstood me. I do not have a $300 shock flyer, though I started out in electrics. In fact I am converting my micro stuff into 1/2A glo planes because I can't afford brushless and lipo's. I have converted my MM Mini-flash to glo but I am struggling a bit with Norvel engine reliability. It sort of flies 3D, it is the first plane I have flown where the rudder does cause the plane to roll.

Because of my electric experience I very much appreciate the high wing loading problem and optimizing power and weight! I struggled very hard with that with my electrics. I have accepted your recommendations and appreciate them very much. I have accepted that the .50sx-h is the way to go even though it is a lot more costly than I thought.

Finally, I am fairly new at this and admit I cannot fly 3D (here is where they throw me out of the forum) though I have really tried to get my Avistar to do it.

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Uncas,
Take your time and buy the right equipment, fly with guys that are good at 3D. Ask many question, practice up high and trust me your skill will improve. If you rush and attempt to just fly any combination you will become dissatisfied and prolong your true 3D potential.
Have fun man and fly safe.

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We all have 2 choices now

1. Shut up and act like adults
2. Keep acting like 3rd graders

But since my dad can kick your dads butt. That only leads us to option 2!

2.==>

Now that we have made this choice this leads us to 2 more options

1. Go back to the beginning of this thread and read it all again.
2. Keep going down the wrong path.

Now, personally, I like to listen to everyone and make my own decision. Others may not feel the same so each of these 2 choices lead us to an additional 2 choices. So lets take a look at the path they each lead us down.

1.===>If we choose to go back and read carefully we will see that we can...
1. Get a light weight powerfull engine that cost an additional $50-$100
But this is where this path ends!

2.===>However we can always keep going down the wrong path. This leads us to... you guessed it! 2 more options.
1. Have an airplane that performes poorly and that you get rid of.
a. it is too heavy
b. the engine never stays running
2. Break down and buy a new engine that makes the airplane perform like an airplane should.
a. you end up spending twice as much
b. you should have bought the good engine, it would have been cheaper in the long run.



I am not saying that the os 50 helicopter engine is the best engine in the world for the ucd .46 however it is the best choice listed in this thread.

If you do not understand why this is the case, then your choice for the correct engine is easy. Get the cheapest one you can! If you do not understand why this is the case, then you are not a pilot who can benefit from having a better flying airplane. If you do not understand why this is the case, then you will never be a good enough pilot to benefit from having a better flying airplane. If you do not understand why this is the case then you should just stop posting in this thread. If you do not understand why this is the case you should sell all your JR 10X's and take up fishing. If you do not understand why this is the case, then you should go play in traffic!

Best of luck to you all!!!

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ok well i act like a old coot i really am 20 years old i'm retired i retired at 18 worked my but off from 14 to 17 at wendys

i am as soon as the 14 mz get here fishing sucks sept on playstation

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Uncas
I wasn't trying to point you out. I know it looks that way. It just frustrating to see people that have the talent to fly 3-d never do it because they saved 80 bucks on the engine. If you really want the finest airplanes you are either going to have to save and scimp untill you can. Buy the good stuff or sell all the other stuff to pay for it. Trust me I know what it is like to have a tight budget for airplanes. Sometimes it comes down to what you want. One really great plane or five ok ones. In order to get a great Ucan Do you will spend close to 800 bucks. They need good servos also. 9202 is my choice. Anyway I'm sorry for my approach at tell you this. My first one was not targeted just at you. Thanks Jason

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Jason,

Well, I will save my pennies and do this right, I already have a couple average planes.

Why do you need better servos? for speed? or torque? or both?