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artistic-aero 11-14-2002 07:39 PM

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Well, have a look yourself.... there was a typo on the name! Oh dear oh dear, but hey, it may be ok on the launch... :)

Cheech 11-14-2002 07:55 PM

9c rocks for 3-D!!!
 

Thing was, I paid 500 cash, and traded my old 8U for a never used 9Z from one of my friends
I paid just under $300 for TX, RX and a few goodies from my LHS. But then I packaged up my 8U and ebay'ed it for something like $285 . So my upgrade was free - it only cost me a few "standard" servo's that I had no need for anyway.

I DO like the robustness of the 9Z "conditions". They are exactly as sfaust explains. But I'm not going to pay $700 more for that. That's just me. I'm super happy with the 9C

The idea of a 12 channel should appeal to the turbine guys. They eat up all the channel pretty quick.

-Cheech

FLYBOY 11-14-2002 10:06 PM

9c rocks for 3-D!!!
 

Originally posted by da king
I know the 9C is not the best heli radio
What do you mean not the best heli radio. It blows anything away I have seen. This radio rocks for anything I have thrown at it. I have flown everything from 1/2A to Giant scale, fixed wing and heli. Best system I have seen yet.

da king 11-14-2002 11:10 PM

9c rocks for 3-D!!!
 
flyboy I flew helis for 4 years and i gotta say they are the worst to set up. They go through trim changes constintly, from hover to forward flight, from upright to inverted, from forward to back....you get the idiea. the 9C does have the abilaty to change the trim with flight modes( thank god ) but theres only 3 mixs. I dont think you can change the swashplate timming in the radio so you have to use a mix to get it to loop right if theres any coulpling( most do ) then a lot of guys have the trim from up right to inverted linked to the collective( theres 2 mixs right there )so that it trimed upright or inverted.
Ok theres 3 mixs but wait theres more.
All most all 3d pilots link cyclic to throttle becouse when you put full cyclic in on sertin direction it bogs the motor and the other way the motor spins faster. so one mix for pitch and on for roll. thats what......5 mixs?
This was 5 years ago and i can only imagin what there doing now. I know the piezo gyro has free up a lot of the radio but theres still more to do.
I hope this helps.
Dont get me wrong the 9c is a better radio than all but JR's 10 but it still lacks a lot.

deka14353 11-15-2002 12:52 AM

Hi
 
I dont think you can change the swashplate timming in the radio so you have to use a mix to get it to loop right if theres any coulpling(
Hi i was checking and yes i belive that have swashplate timming
i think is the delay one right ?
thanks

da king 11-15-2002 01:04 AM

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no delay is when you switch from one flight mode to the other and theres a big jump in colective settings. you can slow the transition down so its not so hard to hold on to.

deka14353 11-15-2002 01:07 AM

thanks
 
you see i learn some thing new every day :D thanks da king i realy did not know that thanks

da king 11-15-2002 01:09 AM

9c rocks for 3-D!!!
 
no problem!!!

sfaust 11-15-2002 02:14 AM

9c rocks for 3-D!!!
 

Originally posted by artistic-aero
Wonder how the new JR 9X(s?) will perform? Its really going to annoy the 10x users, what looking the same... with most of the functions... and HALF the price... :)
I don't see why it would annoy the 10X users. The key is that you said 'most functions'. Plus, I don't think its a 10 channel radio, and that is what many paid the extra dollars. I doubt it will have flight modes either.

I think it would be great. The more the merrier...

sfaust 11-15-2002 02:19 AM

9c rocks for 3-D!!!
 

Originally posted by FLYBOY


What do you mean not the best heli radio. It blows anything away I have seen. This radio rocks for anything I have thrown at it. I have flown everything from 1/2A to Giant scale, fixed wing and heli. Best system I have seen yet.

You haven't seen much, or looked the other way. The 9C is lacking in features and functions compared to the 9Z or 10X. Its maybe 75% there, more or less.

Take a closer look at those radios, and then you can see what things you can really throw that direction.

The 9C is a nice radio, but its not a 9Z or 10X. Just isn't. I think Futaba marketing and engineering planed it that way. Or they had a happy accident :-)

da king 11-15-2002 02:26 AM

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i think the 9C is the perfect mix. tons of feachers at a low price. what more could you ask. if you need the best your gonna pay but if you need a good radio and dont want the pricetag than there the 9C.

Joe B. 11-16-2002 03:08 AM

9c rocks for 3-D!!!
 
Got my 9c today and cruized through it. At first glance, I dont see anything missing. At least nothing that I'll need any time soon. Everyone keeps saying "well I'm one of the 1%'ers". I'm not afraid to say I'm one of the 99%'ers. I do like how I have the tripple rates set up on one switch for all channels. So switch G in the up position is max 3d rates with higher exponential, middle is high rates but not 3d and lower is for taking off and landing ;) I also am setting up my mixes and have found I can assign custom mixes to the same switch so I can have certain mixes with 3d rates, another with high rates and another with low (or none at all). This is as close to 'flight conditions' as I'll ever need.

Thank you Futaba for making a radio this good, this affordable. My Airtronics is now a paper weight, really, more of a museum quality peice due to it's age but I made the switch.

- Joe

OnTheEdge 11-16-2002 04:31 AM

Re: Flight Condition
 

Originally posted by mecam


Flight conditions allows me to have a single switch that would switch my elevator, aileron, and rudder to 3D rates from normal instead of having 3 different switches for each control surfaces.

The 9C can assign all three control surfaces to the same switch as well as set up expo.

As an FYI for those of you with the 9C, for about $20 (Great Planes Hobby Services) you can get the two-position switch (Switch B) upgraded to a THREE-position switch! Apparently the software supports this upgrade and you now have a three positon switch on the left side of the radio. I had this upgrade done to mine as I wanted to assign triple rates to that one switch on the LEFT side. My thought is that when all h#ll breaks loose, I fly out with my right stick while using my left hand to reach for the triple rate switch. Maybe it's just me but in a panic I'm not comfortable trying to find a switch on the right. the replacement switch is also one of the "taller" switches thus making it easier to find.

So far I love the radio only I picked the wrong frequency. Went to my first IMAC meet and out of about 25 pilots, 5 of them were on channel 52. Went flying at my local field the other night. Six guys and three of them on channel 52. Guess which channel I'm on???? :(

............Mark

supafly 11-16-2002 04:53 AM

9c rocks for 3-D!!!
 
Well i dont have to worry about that whole frequency business i stuck a hitec spectra synthesizor in my 9c it works great! i dont know if yer supposed to do that, but hey if the shoe fits (module in this case) :D. i dont see myself ever out growing the 9c its got everything ill ever need for my planes and helis and i love the programing! (ps I hate JR ive seen them literally fall apart and their "top of the line" 10x cant even switch between helis and planes. or so ive heard. i would think a radio with that kind of price tag could at least do that.

I honestly never thought my post would be so contraversial.

IronZ 11-16-2002 07:48 AM

Re: Re: Flight Condition
 

Originally posted by OnTheEdge


The 9C can assign all three control surfaces to the same switch as well as set up expo.

As an FYI for those of you with the 9C, for about $20 (Great Planes Hobby Services) you can get the two-position switch (Switch B) upgraded to a THREE-position switch! Apparently the software supports this upgrade and you now have a three positon switch on the left side of the radio. I had this upgrade done to mine as I wanted to assign triple rates to that one switch on the LEFT side. My thought is that when all h#ll breaks loose, I fly out with my right stick while using my left hand to reach for the triple rate switch. Maybe it's just me but in a panic I'm not comfortable trying to find a switch on the right. the replacement switch is also one of the "taller" switches thus making it easier to find.

So far I love the radio only I picked the wrong frequency. Went to my first IMAC meet and out of about 25 pilots, 5 of them were on channel 52. Went flying at my local field the other night. Six guys and three of them on channel 52. Guess which channel I'm on???? :(

............Mark



How much did this cost? Sounds great.

IronZ
:D

3D_CAP232 11-16-2002 10:56 AM

9c rocks for 3-D!!!
 
Hi,
Please forgive me if this seems a silly question but how 'usable' are 3 position dual rates i.e. how easily can you select the rate that you want when your flying?...or if you panick?
I suppose its just a case of getting used to it!
Happy Flying

Joe B. 11-16-2002 11:49 AM

9c rocks for 3-D!!!
 
They're more useable than dual rates on my old plane. One switch. Up is full 3d rates (and higher expo, a little spoiler mix, etc), middle is normal 'high' rates and down is low rates (for landing and so fourth). On my old radio each surface had it's own switch so you had an aileron high/low rate, an elevator high/low rate, etc. 3 switches to manage, and my basic setup was low rates were as high as I could get them and still fly the plane and 3d rates were, well, huge. Now with this radio I can have a low rate that isn't as touchy for takeoffs and landings. Maybe this will be a moot point as I just setup the thing this weekend and probably wont fly it until Sunday if the weather lets up but that was one gripe I had about wanting 3d rates then you needed your low rates to be as much as you could still fly with and on landings and some straight-line manuvers I would wish for some lower rates. Just my 2cents

- Joe

da king 11-16-2002 12:34 PM

9c rocks for 3-D!!!
 
so you can convert the 2 pole switch to a 3? I all most traded the air for a heli becouse of that. where do i get that done. I too would like to have the triple rates on the left. That would finish the system pretty good. let me know please. thanks

OnTheEdge 11-16-2002 02:12 PM

Re: Re: Re: Flight Condition
 

Originally posted by IronZ




How much did this cost? Sounds great.

IronZ
:D

Upgrading the switch cost me about $20-25 including freight. I couldn't find the receipt but if I recall correclty, it was about $15-20 for the mod and about $5-6 for me to ship the radio (Great Planes pays the the freight on the way back)

...........Mark

da king 11-16-2002 03:14 PM

9c rocks for 3-D!!!
 
do you have a contact person and where did you sent it?? I want to send it in while its cold out. thanks

OnTheEdge 11-16-2002 03:25 PM

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Originally posted by 3D_CAP232
Hi,
Please forgive me if this seems a silly question but how 'usable' are 3 position dual rates i.e. how easily can you select the rate that you want when your flying?...or if you panick?
I suppose its just a case of getting used to it!
Happy Flying


3D_CAP232, The only silly question is the one you DON'T ask! That's what we're here for.

While dual rates are fine for an aerobatic plane, once you go to a 3D capable plane (i.e. 40-50 degree surface travel) it's a nice feature to have the third rates. Here's what I do (and this is what works for me.....this is a very subjective thing....kinda like trying on a pair of shoes):

>Switch DOWN:
>>Low rate elev, ail, and rud / -30% elev expo, -50% ail expo, -15% rud expo

>>>Switch CENTER:
>>>High rate elev, ail, and rud / -50% elev expo, -50% ail expo, -45% rud expo

>>>>>Switch UP:
>>>>>3D rate elev, ail, and rud / -75% elev expo, -70% ail expo, -60% rud expo

The expo can REALLY vary by plane and throws so you will have to experiment and burn fuel to get it dialed in. (NOTE: Futaba uses negative expo where others may call the same thing positive....God help you if you dial in 75% negative expo on an 3D throw elevator on a JR radio!)

Since this switch (switch B) is about twice as tall as the other switch it's actually pretty easily to find, especially the way I hold the radio as my middle finger rest along the top of the radio. I intentionally made the low rate position in the DOWN position because it's easier to PULL down with your finger in a panic, than it is to relocate your finger below the switch and push....again, just my preference.

I also have a rudder-to-elevator mix assigned to switch C. I turn this on and leave it on for precision flying but find 3D easier with it off.
My eventual goal is to set up two model memories for the plane (throws, CG, rates, mixes etc). One for precision/IMAC and the other (changing CG by adding ballast into a phenolic installed in the tail of the plane) for 3D/Freestyle flying. The consensus seems to be (from modelers with a LOT more experience then me) that you cannot set up a plane to be the best at precision and freestyle. You need to have very different CG locations for each.

Best of luck............Mark

OnTheEdge 11-16-2002 03:34 PM

9c rocks for 3-D!!!
 

Originally posted by da king
so you can convert the 2 pole switch to a 3? I all most traded the air for a heli becouse of that. where do i get that done. I too would like to have the triple rates on the left. That would finish the system pretty good. let me know please. thanks
Da King, Just send it in to Great Planes (futaba distributor in US). What I did was cut the styrofoam package the radio was sent in (cut off the part where the servos and charger are), then pack this up well ship it off. Good idea to do while it's cold and not the peak of flying season. See below for info.

http://www.hobbyservices.com/shipping.html

.........Mark


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