Then I truly apologize. I misinterpreted your posts and take all the blame. Imean that sincerely... it's all my fault and I'll edit all my posts to blank...

You are right about the packaging being bigger, but there WAS a lot of room inside the boxes for partitioning and padding to keep the items from having room to gain speed and momentum.

But anyhow...

Now... in the interest of helping us all figure out how we can get our planes to 17.5 lbs...

Can you please tell us your complete setup?

You said 3 lions? Are they all 2000 or 2400's?

What are you using for regulators?

What servos did you go with? How are you matching the wing servos?

Choke setup?

Which inv. pitts did you select?

Did you use the stock tank? 2 or 3 line setup?

Did you use all the stock hardware?

What prop and spinner are you using?