RBCCONT looks like that did the trick, I "thought" I did every imaginable combination, thinking perhaps the 4 in 1 was confused due to murfy's law, electronics can be tempermental at times in any electronic device and I've had things do strange things in the past, some times impossible stuff that I was not able to reproduce. The ESC may have just needed a nap, hehe and this is all coincidense, hehe. Now that I walked into the local hobby shop and saw one of the employees demonstrating how to make your first flights, I won't try to fly this thing like an airplane, ie. I was trying to make it do too much at once and having it higher in the air "like you would do the typical plane on it's first flights" when you are supposed to just do very limited, low to the ground hovers and expand using baby steps. Glad I don't have to tear into the 4 in 1, I hate soldering and testing these little microboards.