A little weight here, a little weight there - it all adds up. Any one "extra 1/4 or a 1/2 pound" doesn't break the bank but a couple, three, four of em do. That's why I keep mentioning weight. I saw a very nice glow powered Starfire at a meet last year that weighed 15 or 16 pounds without fuel in it. You could see yourself in the clearcoat and it did OK in the air - a lot better than I might have guessed actually but that is a TOAD as far as EDF goes IMHO.

Remember that BVM Viper and Aggressor's were originally 9.5 - 10 pound planes, the Starfire instructions quote 9 - 10 pounds. All pre-metal retracts, struts, solid rubber wheels, brakes, 200 ounce inch digital servo's and fancy paint jobs.

Just to make things clear as well, all this 120mm stuff is brand new bleeding edge. If you don't know a volt from an amp or a Nimh from a Lipo you might want to sit out another 6 months or so. Summer is coming, the first summer for the 120mm equipment. That is the test. BV has a big advantage for EDF development- Florida has only two seasons summer and SUMMER