Strider --- it sounds like you are using an instructor and it also sounds like you may have a couple flights in allready. Won't your instructor just take you up ( 3 mistakes ) and let you fly around getting used to the plane and passing the box if needed. Heck that was the only way a few years ago and it worked ok then. I even do it now and then with new students or even people that I just want to let them fly a little, on my plane or theirs. It's no big deal if you both stay on the ball. ENJOY !!! RED [8D]