well, hanger rat, you try to get one, and i've already killed one. pilot's error, never attempt a knife edge horizontal figure 8, change knife edge from one side to the other and NOT reverse aileron to rudder at low altitude...snap, boom, bang! the plane is a gas, with the recommended Hyperion Z4020/14, 80A Opto ESC, APC 15 x 8 on Litestorm 5S2P4200, the combo is sucking exactly 79A and you get 12,4 lbs static thrust with a TOW of 5,0 lbs check the inc. angles wing/elevator, mine was a tad negative, must be at least .5+, or it will undercut! and for harriers, mix about 20% positive flaps with full positive elevator, on it's back it's much less sensitive. no out-of-the-box-plane in this bracket even comes near in terms of aggresiveness, that's for sure!

hope you get one soon

roger

here's a pic of happier times, when the two of us where still together[:'(]