Ah, we'll see and if I'm not happy with it I'll slap that other kit together. BTW, what parts did you use for the cable pull pull? I still have one of Don's Kevlar setups and a Dubro 2/56 setup on the shelf that I can use either one of those. Susie still wants to know if you'll build her cabinets. She says you and Joann can stay here and enjoy the amenities until the kitchen is done .