I'm sick of this flat planes fad, it's a darned shame if you ask me... Sure they are great if you fly exclusively pure 3d indoors. But many new pilots are getting these for unknown reasons, maybe they think they are cheaper, easyer to build, not as fragile, who knows... Anyway they end up being used as parkflyers and frustrating people, as we see in this thread. When it comes down to it the price of slapping together an arf of this nature is not much different than that of a quality foamy like the copperhead model mentionned in an earlyer post, for example it's a good one there are a few others, but the really good ones are rare, why? Because people are gladly forking over the dough for these cheap to produce pieces of junk, so the manufacturers say to themselves "why bother to make anything REALLY good? if they'll buy this cheap stuff at full price anyways right?

Hope there are enough people like me to bring back plane designs such as the discontinued great planes german built simprop models not to mention czecoslovakia's scorpio models who closed their shop. Sad...