yeah, bubba, you are there a lot. i would say there are just 2 or 3 other guys at our field currenty who are trying this stuff out of about 100. i bet if it was less of a "mystery" to them, a lot more people would be doing it. to really get started, you MUST have a capable setup and i think that is a big obstacle getting in the way of sport pilots gettting into it. back when i flew a 4*, i could only imagine how to do 3d stuff, but as soon as i got a foamy, it was all there for me to try. i just had to learn to control it. i think a lot of people get discouraged by having plane\engine combos with only 1-1 thrust to weight. at least the plane companies are starting to reccommed better combos.