JR may I respectfully submit that your statement above could not be further from the truth. Now I have only known Bill for a little over a year but it has been obvious to me that he has been giving back in a very strong way and yes primarily in a minority venue of pylon racing. Now let me give you a minor example: The very first time I met him we were in a heat together and after the flag during the normal landing kaos I managed to clobber his plane on landing putting him out for the day and it was obviously my error, a fact I would never admit to him. Now on the very next heat I ended up short a caller and guess who ended up doing the honors for me the rest of the day. That is not 'just taking'.

Bill has made a huge effort to keep our 'little venue' going and his commercial efforts i.e. kit production to support the venue I can assure you makes no money. The top quality race proven equipment he sells (something there has been a dearth of in the entry level) at rediculous low prices to support the sport. That is 'not taking'.

Now on a more personal basis. I have been flying RC for fortysix years and Ukie somewhat before that and its been a wonderful ride indeed. Eight months ago I lost my wife and shortly after the ability to walk without this wheelchair, Pylon was of course out. After getting over of feeling sorry for myself Bill and a few others were instumental getting me to give it a go and with bills considerable investment in time and money. You know what with some training it worked and I have one race under my belt now and two more in a few weeks. To Bill and those few others (you know who you are) I will be forever grateful. That is 'not taking'. JR I got a great idea How about taking a break from the keyboard, come to a race and you can call for me, I assure you it will be fun and I promise I,ll try not to run over your toes with my wheels.

OK now for you JR and no I am not going to flame you. Actually you have said some things I quite agree with and I have followed some of your post with interest but it does get quite irratating when you use a line as above "I try to give reasons why someone 'should' see things as I do" A bit arrogant, don,t you think?

So JR relax, fly, come to a race as my guest and Bill watch your six at the Winterfest for that Naked Racer 11 with the winged wheelchair emblem.

John