I was really getting into the inverted flat spins. Too bad the branches ripping off the extremities had to tell me something was going very wrong. Best part is, I recieved the elv. servos back from Horizon today, of course, one day late. They finally gave up on fixing them and replaced them with new ones. So I now have 6 servos, a reciever, battery and one honkin engine. Hmmm, different days bring different thoughts. Joe