for the tips...I can't get much locally so I'm gonna try to get some gutter pipe, alum, coro, yardsticks etc. and maybe a bat if I can make it to wally world...plus all the little hardware goodies that the local shops don't have...No LHS etc. I'm gonna love building these with my boys, what a way to unleash the mind and get off the chain! My wife thinks SHE is going shopping...She aint seen nothing yet! I got a 50 item list and haven't even begun to be spontaneous yet..! I might go completely spadstic. I hope my first doesn't turn out like spadsack, I might have to hide in the back of the spaddyshack...ouch, this could get ugly quick.