No hovering tail touches yet but the torque rolls are getting better,I play around sometimes doing a vertical rolling harrier,I keep it in a very HA hover & give it rolling harrier input,looks a little like rolling harrier but it barely moves forward and I can pop it back up to a hover instantly. Practiced some walls over the weekend,really quite easy,I had to add a little right rudder to keep it from falling left and I use spoileron mix,makes them nice & horizontal slide is great. My goal is to start a torque roll very low and then maybe a tail touch. Seems like a wall is a good way to do this,any other methods out there?(the harrier excluded)