Yeah, one thing that's missing from arfs is the whole concept of setting an example and raising one's standards. I got back into r/c last fall and was fortunate to have stumbled across one of 8178's build threads. It inspired me to try harder and do that little bit extra to make my plane better. It's not really what I'd call competing, but more like wanting to improve my own building after seeing how well it can be done. This is OT, but I was in the 3-D forums (this is not a knock against that style) and it's interesting how some of those flyers view their planes as simply disposable, replaceable objects; no big deal if they crash, just pick up a replacement like it was a golf club or something. Off-the-shelf, no big deal. Is it possible they're missing something?