I realize that flat bottom winged planes have pretty much always been called trainers and seen as a plane for beginners only. Most grown men do not like being categorized as a "beginner" or a "newbie", so they might precipitate their move to a more difficult plane to avoid this stigma. Which is ashame because many do so without fully appreciating the great flying attributes of a flat bottom winged plane. This desire however, to quickly join the big boys on the line have resulted in more than one plane being lost to over enthusiasm.