well i been flyin control line for years even built a 72" c/l cub decided to try r/c so i went an got a 82" cub put a os 60 on it my instructor recommened a trainer so i got a thunder tiger 60 size traner finally soloed got bored with the 60 put on a 80 webra finally an i do mean finally learned to take off straight with the cub an land it that was very hard to learn that plane to me! then got a pizzaza took my stuff outa the trainer put it in the cub an transfered the cub stuff to the pizzaza had a blast with that plane before i lost it got another one not much luck with the second pizzaz lost it past week so now i got a edge 540t 60/90 arf ordered i like the way these planes look so stable doin harriers an slow flite with high pitch attuide also i think the edge will hover a little easyer than the pizzaza because there longer goina see what the 80 will do on the edge been flyin r/c about a year now this stuff is very addicting !