Perhaps the cities wont want to permit flying even PFs in a downtown urban park... even with insurance and a club. Maybe they will see it as too much space taken up by a small number of parkusers... perhaps they may see it as too dangerous even with insurance (insuranse dont make picnicking in lane 2 of an interstate less dangerous, just less costly).
Seems to me like alot of the time, they just haven't gotten caught yet. You see the same problem I do.
Abel, that's why I don't see an answer. How can you provide insurance that will do that? It's true that the AMA needs to sit down with the insurance company and see what can be done. If it's even possible, it would probably cost more than what is currently offered, but instead of coming up with a program that charges the PF'ers more, the cost should be included with the old package and everybody charged a part of the cost as part of their membership. Kinda like the way freeflighters don't ask for different insurance and a lesser pricetag. Everybody shares the cost and makes the hobby what it should be. Fun. I just can't see how they can do anything that will change a "no" to a "yes" when someone just goes to a park and flies without permission. Flying model airplanes and picnicking are two different things.
One of the things I've seen being requested is new E-clubs. What is wanted here? Real estate!? I'm just say that Dave has no business starting clubs. That is the responsibility of local people. I've seen people saying they want the most ridiculous things for 1/2 price. If you can't find a park to fly in, YOU must work to have a place you can fly at. There's no magic wand that you can wave and "PRESTO". Flying Field!
Ptulmer, I know you despise electrics, but why can't you just let it go? Why do you have to bash another segment of our hobby repeatedly? I know you're big into slimers, but I could care less for them. Do you see me bashing you for your slimers?
Well, calling my glow engines "slimers" ain't nice, is it? And no, I don't hate electrics and don't bash airplanes or equipment.
exactly right, but I don't see this E ticket as being that way to get more members.
Agreed. Short of educating people about the AMA, there's not much you can do except go around twisting arms.
If you don't like STL's postings, the best thing to do is don't respond to him.
You're absolutely right. I'll do that from now on.
Here's my view of the e-ticket. The people we are calling "park fliers" have a toy mentality. They have bought a toy and want to fly it. OK, that's fine. But when there's no place close to home or easily found, they're looking around for someone to find it for them. If it's not there, instead of working to create place or club, they want the AMA to do it for them. The AMA is being asked to do all the labor at half-price, so all they have to do is fly! That's not too shabby of a deal! I'd be banging the door down wanting the same thing! It's just not financially feasible.
Please note that I'm not grouping everybody that flies park flier airplanes into one group. There are members of our local club that only fly park fliers, and I fly 1/2a glow. I've got NOTHING against any kind of model aviation. You want to be looked down on, bring something to a fly-in with a Cox engine on the front. I've got a real problem with people not taking responsibility for their own entertainment. (and lives)
P51, I would have laughed at anyone that told me to sign up and pay $58 just to support the hobby. If I pay money, there's gonna be a reason. If I truly want to support the hobby, money won't do it anyway. Maybe being club sec. would qualify? Intro pilot? How about offering free printable plans on my website? Anything there work for you?