John, thanks for the info, to all this is good stuff!!!! I flew the Blade today with the symetrical blades and used the idle-up switch. NO BIG DEAL. I thought once I hit the switch all hell would break loose, not the case, just remember to switch it back I had alot of fun and Johns right about the training gear. I did a loop today with the training gear on and it wasn't pretty[:'(]I thought to myself that the training gear probably made it to sluggish. I don't remember who said that they learned to fly on AFPD and then set the blade up propperly after reading and it worked well. To anyone trying to fly the Blade out of the box, DON'T! "DO" Read the bdavision's E-flite Blade Assembly thread and set the Blade according to this. It will actually fly like the heli's on AFPD. John thanks for the input about the air, it really make alot of sense, that's what Zooland1 was trying to say too. I came into the hover much differntly than I did before, like you stated and had no problems. I love flying in the ground effect now that I can feal what the chopper is going to do. I just can't wait for that first tail motor to burn out Thanks to everyone's input on this thread, You guy's are making it easy to fly a difficult machine