Just one more benefit from joining a club,,your probably gonna find someone with a .40 trainer used and for sale from a fellow member looking to get some money for a 4 star or something else (next plane)..if you dont have money for a plane,,forget about sims they're no type of replacement for an instructor, like anything, some people swear by them, others swear at them...and as an earlier post shows used trainers dont command very high prices, heck new ARFs arent all that high, heck 12 years ago my Eagle 2 kit was about what the Tower trainer ARF is now and believe me I would have gone ARF if it was cheaper back then...Rog