i saw one of these fly at our electric fly-in my club had. it was AWESOME!!!!! he was run a hacker outrunner i think it was either the larger A50 outrunner or the smaller A60 outrunner. i spoke to him for while and he said he had just got it goin and had test flew it with 8 cel li-po and could tell had way too much power so he flys it with 7 cell!!! said he runs a 4 and 3 cel serieed together. it flew super smooth and had lots of power. he said he used the new outrunner casue it's a power motor and it's low cost compared to other motors of that power. not sure what esc he was using, i think a new castle HV. I know i have a Hacker A30-8XL with a cc45HV in my heli and it's tons of power and tourque!!!! check the hacker outrunner out if you still lookin for a motor.

mikey