Cool- I was just gonna say that I prefer the Turmoil to the Flatana, and Cap-580 --- The RC Universe bipe looks pretty cool!

I actually really DISLIKE the Flatouts but they fly all right--- If you are ever interested check out [link=http://www.chargerrc.com]Charger RC[/link] I have a couple (they are like $29 bucks) and they are thicker (6MM) and fly better than the Flatouts- I even use my Rimfire and 8ESC with great performance!

Cheers!