Thanks for the input guy's, the thing i dont understand ( and its probably me ) is that i normally fly 33% 'r and dont have a problem doing any of these move's with the bigger bird's.

I got the u can do cause i haven't flown in about 8 months( been flyng it now for about a month ) and wanted to fly something a little smaller to unrust my thumbs. so far it's been a great little plane but it's starting to piss me off cause i cant seem to get it to flat spin. but i was always trying upritght flat spins.

Now what about water falls. i can only get it to do about 3/4's and it falls out.

I guess im going to have to burn some more fuel this weekend.

O yeah this thing is a blast with a saito 100 on the nose.