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Default RE: Nothing is Impossible: Edge540, my Beginner Plane

For the benifit of others that may read this thread I'll address the full scale to RC references.

As was already mentioned, aerodynamics is the only thing that transfers well but some others do transfer to a point. Stick movements do but not all of them. In RC to do a roll, you simply give aileron and add a little down while inverted in the roll. In full scale you lift the nose "X" number of degrees, then roll. To do a spin in RC, you add aileron. In some full scale planes if you do that you'll wind up in a spin that you cannot recover from. In RC there are more people than not just using the ailerons for a turn with no rudder coordination. Do that in full scale and you will see your paasengers turning green from the side forces not to mention a little thing called "adverse yaw". All planes have it, including RC, but the nice ting in RC, that can be easily engineered out as we are free to make any changes we see fit. There are more but you get the idea.

Now let's talk about power. In RC it's not uncommon to have a 1:1 power ratio so you can power your way out of problems. In full scale you are lucky to even have 0.75:1 and that's on a highly aerobatic plane so now you are flying on the wing and using energy management, which buy the way, does transfer very well into GS flying. The only real difference here is military aircraft, mainly jets

Ok so now I've covered just a few things between full and RC flights. Now lets look at training.

In full scale, would you simply rent a plane as an unlicensed pilot, take it up and attempt to fly without any instruction. No you would not. Two things are likely to happen if you were even able to rent that plane. If you do not kill yourself (which is number 1) the FAA and local/state police will be waiting for you if you do get it back down (number 2). Ok so now you fly full scale, you've got hundreds or even thousands of hours of time many types of aircraft and toms of ratings. What did you do when you wanted to learn to fly a new type, you got instruction.

Now lets assume that you do all the right things to get all of this full scale time. I'll then ask why in the world would you even consider trying to learn to fly RC on your own. That's easy because you now have a skill that most people do not possess. It's called ego and too much of it can get you or someone else hurt or killed. Remember the first time in a full scale plane you were taught spin recovery, how about crosswind landings, or power on/off stalls, accelerated stalls, and all those other things you needed to know to fly safely and get some experience before your solo. How many times did the instructor calmly, at first, remind you to do something, then finally take the controls from you because it had gone from a simple correction to if this does not happen now it's gonna be bad type of thing. How long did it take for you to get your first pilot certificate. FAA mandates a minimum set of times for ground scholl and flight. Most people easily double that number

My point to all of the above is simple, you can transfer some knowledge between the two, but not enough to be as safe as possible.

Why in the world would a full scale pilot not do what he/she is used to doing already and not get insruction? That's easy, there is nothing that says you MUST do this or that when it comes to the AMA ,they are just guidleines. Just imagine the AMA becoming like the FAA and now we have all of these rules and stuff, so much for the fun.

In my eyes, I'll take 10 - 20 hours of RC instruction. Now a bunch of you will say, It will take a lot longer than that for me. Not really, with a decent instructor and some determination of your part and a willingness to listen carefully, it may even be less. The difference is how often you get to train. I've trained students for over a year, but they would only come one day a week or even less and do 30 minutes worth of actual training time. In the end it was only 20 hours but spread over several months. I've also had the opposite where we did 10 hours over a weeks time and they were ready. In the end, they all had fun, got scared, and learned a ton from both me and the folks around the field and made some really good friends

BTW...I was a full scale pilot for several years flying GA and held VFR, IFR, commercial tickets and had 40+ hours unusual attitude training then did skywriting for 8 years flying AgCats and Stearmans. The difference for me was I came into this hobby with the knowledge I had but allowed the more experienced people to show me the correct way to do things and not always the flying part of it. I progressed very quickly. the people around me rolled their eyes when I first told them of my full scale experience, but they quickly found out my ego did not get in the way of doing what was needed to be a safe pilot.

And you know what, I still have a blast doing it.

Sorry for the rant and just jumping all over the place in this post