>>Well Joe, you've certainly toned down your presentation of your views on Dave Patrick.<<

My review points out what a potential buyer should know before buying this plane. And, what a first time buyer of the plane should know before he starts buying parts and building it. I tried to get a handle on my personal frustration with DPM and this model... and just stick with facts that will help the unwary.

>>I disagree with your views on the workaround. Certainly this is not the ideal scenario, but there's nothing wrong with the solution.<<

Just imagine "cbk" ruining the appearance of his plane by taking that work around. Why would any of the rest of us, even with our yellow ARFs, want to do the same thing?

>>I still can't understand why you would put a ZDZ60 in this plane.<<

If you can setup and fly planes that you are 100% satisfied with?... no need to try to understand why I do what I do. :-)

>>I know you're into 3D, and nothing else<<

I'm fully into pattern at the moment. You might be confused because my website only has 3D videos? I just didn't think anyone wanted to watch pattern videos... it's about as much fun as watching paint dry.<g>

>>I assume you're talking about something like your H9 33% Cap.<<

I don't have the H9 Cap anymore. But, yes, Ehab just got one for $550 online and Chris just bought a DP for $463 from our LHS. From there a ZDZ-80 single is in the same ballpark as a Taurus 3.2 or ZDZ-60. The Cap could use lesser servos on the rudder and ailerons. And, even if you spend a bit more on the Cap there will be absolutely no comparison on the flight performance, appearance, owner satisfaction, quality, ease of preflight setup, etc., etc., etc. I've had both planes... I've worked on quite a few of both models. My advice is figure out a way to build the H9 Cap for as close to the money as you were going to spend on the DPM Extra as you can. And, if at all possible... go that route. It sounds silly... but "trust me" on this one. :-)