Thanks Bruce, the new guy joined the club and we're going flying thursday morning again,,was going today, but when I started my plane the other day the cone spun out of my starter motor and I forgot about it, I emailed a friend and it turns out he picked it up that afternoon, but apparently I left my glow starter out there too[&o]...I guess I needed a new one anyway[:@]..I guess after the crash, I was just ready to get out of there...Rog