vertical, I completely agree. The reflection is still one of the best flying all out indoor/outdoor 3D foamies Ive flown. Its just non-stop insanity from take off to landing. The problem isnt with the flatouts, its with the people building them. They break the linkages because they are trying to force them, and then complain about brittle plastic. HELLLOOOOOOO....drill it out, then the carbon will slide very easily through the z-bends.

I still have a reflection to this day, and fly it occasionally. Its still a fun little airplane. Ive had it since the freestyle championships last year in Memphis. Unfortunatly my RCUniverse bipe suffered an untimely death due to mis-programmed radio, but it flew great as well.