Jim........If someone has dedicated 47 years to this hobby, given dozens of airplanes "RTF," (including the radio) free of charge to young beginners that could not afford to buy a plane own there own....... would that make them a "giver"? What if someone had been an officer of AMA, a Contest director and Leader member, for AMA, president of several RC Clubs....... Would that make them a "Giver"? What if someone had taken the time to teach 100's of other new members and beginners to fly an RC aircraft........ Would that make him a "Giver" What if someone took the time to answer request for advice on these threads for years, would that qualify him as a "giver" Or do you feel that for someone to be considered a "Giver," They must always "build" their own aircraft, never buy, or fly an ARF? (even though they've already built 100's in the past, and have designed airplanes that have been kitted and sold by three different Manufactures for over 25 years. Would that make them a "giver"? I think I would have to say, that person sounds as if they may have given a "little" back to Hobby ,and should be qualified to give his opinion, and to buy, or fly what ever airplane, helicopter, boat, or car they choose, without being called "someone that has been "dumbed down by the manufactures". Bob