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ORIGINAL: 3D Joy
As a contestant, I often end up judging lower classes. Last week I gave some zeroes to an advanced guy that snapped with the rudder in the wrong direction and agreed with the other judge that it was not a snap --> no autorotation... everything else was there but no autorotation. In fact the plane rolled at a slower pace than if no rudder was applied at all.
I was discussing of this with a full scale flyer that used to fly IAC competition and he told me I should not have zeroed those snaps. He said that we should look for some sort of cone shaped movement of the tail and that it should have been the case even if the rudder was not properly used.
Is he right ?
quote: MikeEast
What do you mean by "snapped with the rudder in the wrong direction" and how does that relate to whther or not the plane autorotates? Please explain. I am new to IMAC (but not new to sequence flying) and really want to understand what you are talking about so that I can apply it to how I execute a snap. I know that there are positive and negative snaps, and can execute both, but what difference does it make it the plane snaps positive or negative with left rudder or right rudder?
quote:highK
bill, why do you complicate things with references to the rules? all that does is add to the confusion. it makes more sense to solicity input from the iac and pattern guys and anyone on RCU with an opinion.
guys...the rules are clear, published, and easily accessed. What pattern or IAC has to say on the matter is meaningless, although that is easier said than accepted. A judge owes it to the competitors to be well versed on the rules, and so far, bill is the only one to cite the rules to support his answer.
quote:Bobby Folsom
One other comment. This is IMAC - not AMA F3A pattern, not IAC, not full scale - but IMAC! None of the other SIGs makes any difference as they each have their own set of rules and we (IMAC) have ours. Some are different and some are the same, the snap roll is but one instance where there is a difference.
OK, thats two uncalled for snide remarks to my comments above. You guys are awful quick to make snap judgements. Sure looks like a beef with people outide of "your circle"[:@]
Both of you need to go back and re read the above. In general , my comment was that I understood the rules
according to pattern and that I want to understand the rules according to IMAC and the differences in how IMAC judges look at a snap so that I can give IMAC judges what they want to see. I know all about reading the rule book and have done so, dont give me the "read the rulebook" speech. I asked an honest question that is in context to the original question and all I wanted was an honest answer. As we all know when it comes to snaps in competition there is a big difference between what the "rulebook" states, and how people interpret a snap when that are sitting in the judges chair.
I coached girls fastpitch softball for years and one of the 1st things I did before the game was ask the umpire where he wanted to see the ball thrown to call strikes. It often angered them to be asked, but they had to answer. They knew the rules, I knew the rules, I just wanted them to tell me in their own words so that we all knew what to expect come game time and we could give them what they wanted to see.
Its no different here. There are rules. But they are subjective to human perception, all I want to know is what the typical judge is actually looking for so that I can put it where they want it.
Funny thing is, amidst the sickening condescening arrogance, I find that the comments indicate that there is really no difference in what the judges expect to see from one discipline to the other. [8D]