Also, another personal factor. If I were just starting in this hobby/sport today, I think if I were to start with ARFs, I would eventually expand into kit and scratch building, just for the personal growth. I hate to be limited! And I get more mad at myself when I don't honestly try something new I might think I'd like to try than I do if I try it and don't achieve some degree of success. To give up without trying is like being flamed, but even worse, by yourself. The only true failure is when you hold yourself back. This is the attitude that led me to expand from display models to free flight flying, and from there to add control line flying, model boats, including ship-in-a-bottle, model railroading, radio control, ERC, model rockets, and a few others. In the process, I tried and gave up on a couple, like model cars just because of trying it and not liking it, not because I persuaded persuaded myself I couldn't do it. If I tried and liked it, I kept up with it, and if I tried it and didn't like it, I just eventually dropped it. There are a few things still I would like to try if I get the time and money. I have no interest in bungee jumping, surfing, wind surfing or white water rafting, but I would like to try hang gliding and full size flying. I am ambivalent about parachuting, just for the idea that even if it might be exciting, why would someone want to leave a perfectly flyable plane while it's still flying?