As I said earlier in this thread, I have several ARF's that I fly, some for learning and some for Sundays. I am in the process of finishing a Venture 60 which is my first build. I have"bashed" the kit in several areas which will make it different from the other Ventures out there. It has been hard enough to learn how to build from a kit and mistakes have been made although I was able to make them right. Building from scratch is not something I think I want to do due to the fact of not having someone willing and able to guide my work at the start. I understand about plans, who has drawn them and who has cut the parts so I don't think I need a detailed explaination for that. What I stated was that someone (not me) that has never built a plane could consider the assembly of an ARF a build if they don't understand the process as stated in the previous post by Stickbuilder.