I'm working the numbers on the titan, Approximately 315 SQ inches of wing for 690 grams of weight. And the weight is in the wing. The wing ass'y itself weighs 372 grams. That gives me 0.87 lift to weight. And is just the wing. No wonder this thing could never fly. Just for the heck of it here is the lift to weight for the plane, 0.46. A stock AA has 32.44 sq inches of wing and weighs 19.8g. That gives it a 1.64 lift to weight ratio. I don't know what to do with this thing now. Tim