Bill, Relax, why torture yourself arguing over an ARF when it is obvious that you prefer scratch or kit built planes? I don't come over to your forums and rag about your preferences, chill out. I lke ARF's because I don't have the skill you have in building kits. Besides, with my eyesight I couldn't tell an ARF WACO from a kit built at 50 yards... I'll wait paiently for the ARf, sorry I upset anybody....Cliff