Our club President has 2 Elders. I guess 1 would be about a 60 size & the other a 40 size. They are both kit built with fabric covering on the wings, beautifully stained woods for the fuse framing & true spoke wheels. These planes are just beautiful & great fun to watch fly. He has 4-stokes in both of them so they sound really good as they just sort of putter on by. They slow fly so nice, & you can really see how much he loves flying these things. He has some great airplanes, but the Elders are probably my favorites. The smaller red one he bought at a swap-meet for $5 took the kit home & it was all there! If you choose to build an Elder, I don't think you will be dissapointed.