They are out there though. Like I said I ran into one last week. I'll pay him a visit and see how it wen. I do think that you could learn to fly from using Real Flight. You wouldn't learn how to start your engine, tune it, put you pin on the board or know any protocol but I bet you could get it done. I've seen kids solo after just a few tries that have RF. It's all about using the thumbs without thinking.