I finally received my Hong Kong J250 motors. Hooked one up to a 910 mah, 2-cell pack with the prop that Bipe recommended and the results were - lotsa air! I have cut out a Blue Albacorde to test a pusher configuration and plan to try a tractor 24-inch delta too. But I have a passle (or is that, passel) of family arriving this afternoon so I will have to hold up further "work" til next week. But initial results with the J250 are encouraging.

However, I could be talked into the brushless GWS route too. Jeeze youse guys are tough to please.