He he, dez rccrawler has alot more advanced crawling guys. I doubt you'll find more that 1 if that on here and not many will understand the term. Anyways, I've been looking at dig and I think I'd rather have 4ws. Crawlers are getting so crammed these days with dig and 4ws and winches and all these linkages etc. I like to stay with just plain bashewr setup with 13.5" wheelbase and 4ws. No rules at home