[/quote] so where is is it now" you once had one off phills engines" will you please let every one now what model it is in then we can look at it as you now its a small community this jet flying regards jetman

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my Phoenix mk4 after the bearing failure (caused by my stupidity after not filtering the fuel) went back to Microjet engineering (the old company Phill designed and built engines for) was then rebuilt and sent back to me, then i came up with the Jackson D-stick idea which they used in all their engines and tested on mine........they then accidentally sold my MK4 to a customer and gave me the Phoenix super panther instead, i didn't have a problem with this as the super panther was lighter and smaller.

the phoenix super panther against the phoenix mk4

super panther:- 20lbs thrust
weight 2lbs

phoenix mk4:-26lbs thrust
weight 4lbs

to put you in the picture, the phoenix mk4 was a development from Phills first engine which was the Phoenix 30.3, this engine was around the same time as the FD3/67, both engines being home built engines, the FD3/67 gave 8lbs thrust where as the 30.3 gave 15 to 20lbs thrust (depending on how well you made the parts), if you do your home work on the early developments of home built gas turbines you'll see the Phoenix 30.3 was one of/if not the most powerful home built engines of it's time.

the 30.3 was supplied in either plans alone, plans and ready made parts or plans and materials, basically it was when home built engines we're just that, 'home built' and not 'take home and assemble'..........

does that answer your question?