I know what you mean, about the not being bothered w/ trainers and such. I had that same attitude when I 1st got started. Trainer [:'(]!!!!!.. Luckily the guys enlightened me when I showed up w/ my spank brand-new hot rod P-51 thinking I was gonna fly that day. I ended up selling to buy a trainer. That was approx. 16 years ago. Just a couple a weeks ago a guy showed up w/ a parkflyer P-51 and it lasted 5 secs.__ $100- $200 gone that quick!!!!. He was dumdfounded and asked me afterwards "How hard is it" ??? Well I said "Blah, blah, blah, yada,yada,yada, etc...Rob