i told the poor guy about the same thing you did about tg sunrise's flying qualities. hope we did not scare him in to not flying it. something of interest. two years ago i was in a hobby shop in orlando florida. this place had so many kits and arfs you could hardly walk around in the store. i was surprised to find of all things in their store...........a tg sunrise .40 arf. i did not know they made one?. i opened the box and checked it out and it had a quite different scheme on it as of the .25 version. the store owners son told me it was a old arf and were not manufactured anymore. he told me it did not fly like the smaller version(speed wise) and it lost it's popularity. i just thought this was interesting.