Artisan, yes, the very first run of Saito's in I think the early eighties was not good. The design was a little different, and while the engines stayed together they were heavy and produced little power. Then they went through a design change and became a whole new product. The basics of the Saito are just as they were from that change. Yes on your K&B remark, they were very good engines. I had a very unfortunate experience at the IMS show in 1991 with the K&B rep. I asked if they would consider building a hot pattern engine. He said they did, everybody used it and then went back to import stuff. He just didn't see the need to pursue the market. My thought was that they were making hot marine engines, why not make something fore the precision crowd? Any, it was a little depressing and I oblidged him going out and purchasing a couple of OS 61 VFs. Did you see the Webra 61 r.e. with a pipe at the sell site? he's got the trap door carb as well.