well i have the eflite ultimate 3d (profile) foamy and its not that bad of a plane. it was one of my first planes and it can take a beating. only thing i didnt like about it was that for me to get enough power to hover and pull out of a hover, i needed to run a 3cell lipo with the 370 outrunner motor i put on it. the lighter the plane, usually is better. especially for hovering and such.