Guys....are you sure the HF 9x20 is the same as the Grizzly? The Grissly sure looks good in the photos! Thank you all ,for the data. w8ye sure had a lot of links. It all makes for a lot of fun shopping. This sure is a way to meet friends that help out in decision making. Best Regards to all. Capt,n Gottta get to bed now. Darn!!!!