The jello comment refers to my sense of the aircraft just floating through everything, actually much easier and more forgiving than with a real model. I learned to TR and do it well long before i ever touched a sim. As I said in my last post, the propwash thing has helped and I'm exploring other adjustments as well. I didn't mean to get you all upset, but I have a right to my opinion as well. I think is time it will be a great program. But I maintain it needs some work. I'm still using it, and learning from it. It, 3.5 is so much better, inmy opinion, than G2 that its not even funny. All I know is, when I did the upgrade to 3.5 I didn't like the response in hover and TR nearly as well as in 3.0 I think harrier performance, both upright and inverted is very good in 3.5. Rolling harriers are pretty spot on, too. opjose, there was nothing inflammatory in my post, just an honest well thought out opinion. relax.