I hate to sound like a broken record but..... NdrFrSpeed hit the nail on the head with his last post about finding an expereinced pilot. This was the rationale behind the Level 1 and Level 2 system in the JPO proposal. Not to restrict a guy because he wants to fly a turbine but to help him get into them with the proper instruction. None of us want to crash our expensive airplanes, and most of us recognize the need for some help. So why not taylor your turbine rules around that premise so that a guy that wants to fly turbines can go straight to flying turbines without having to go the DF route. Then as he progresses to the point of being experienced he is "examined" (for lack of a better word) in much the same way as he will be "examined" under the new Turbine CD system. The guys that thought up the JPO proposal I can assure you want nothing more than for you guys to get your waivers and join in on the fun!!!