Stonedeaf,
Sorry, didn't mean for you to think I was putting you down. Because that's not what I was doing. I see this all the time with new pilots. They think that a trainer won't do much in the way of aerobatics, and I love seeing the look in their eyes when you take their trainer and put it through the paces of some pretty advanced aerobatics. I'm not saying this is you, but too many pilots abandon their trainers too soon because they don't think that it's capable of advanced aerobatics. I encourage them to stay on the trainer and learn to fly aerobatics on them, they'll be rewarded when they move on to a 2nd and 3rd plane because they will be able to perform the maneuvers better because of the practice they had on their trainers.

Ken