hey, thanks again for the comments. as far as the planes ive been flying, i taught myself on the aerobird extreme, moved to the hangar 9 pts p51, then to a hangar 9 corsair, and have had two complete trainers given to me (talk about lucky, but ive only flown one), and i just recently moved into the 3d world with a hangar 9 twist. they have all been arfs, but im really itching to build. as far as the monokote goes, i only know of a few people near me that fly, sometimes i get a chance to go to a field about 40 miles away, and i do have to say, i have never seen the monokote not coming off in one place or another on any of the planes, but i do believe that it is in the installation. there is a person that lives somewhere around me that builds kits from scratch, ive seen his b-17 pictures, and one of a p-47 that he scratch built, awesome. ive never met him, nor do i know how to contact him, just pictures, and that is what has got me all fired up on building a kit, and also painting. the paint on these two planes was totally amazing, especially the way the camo patterns blend. ive done a little brushing, but not much. monokote just doesnt give justice to patterns blending in. but as for me, i am just in sort of the middle of nowhere when it comes to rc flying, and ive been bit bad. so, i truly appreciate all of the input, please keep it coming.