Richard is correct. I did indeed enter the counter bet with him as I thought there was a 50/50 chance that Harry would succeed on this second attampt as he had been in contact with the Thorpe guys and had learned much from them. So I decided to make the counter bet so that it would even out the loss. Does not matter anyway, casue the money is irrelevant. We do this for the unimaginably HUGE amount of enjoyment we derive from the unending crap we get to continue to lay upon Harry! PulseJet Harry LIVES!!!!