The info is nice and I will fallow it. As for the clubs their are no local clubs around and the closest hobby shop is 2 hours away. Yea it sucks. I figure it would be safer to fly a electric for now instead of gas. My flying area will be my neighbors 100+acers of field wich is about 1 foot high soft grass cept for the 300 yard long driveway to his RV barn. I know 250 isnt much to start on but im budget cut right now my dad got hurt on job and where back a year of income and are waiting on a settlement wich finishes up early next year for about 200k for lost income. So for now Im stuck with this. I know trainers arent the pretiest rose of all but i still like looks but i figure ill prob just have to get over that. Now I dont know waht all info would be good for what i want or such but keep talking with me and i can answer all questions for that would assist you in assisting me if that makes sense. This is my first real attempt into planes and not trucks. I dont mind if the plane is slow or not i just want a stable flying trainer that would be great for a half experianced begginer like myself. I have looked at kens list but i want a little more info before i try and make a choice.